[J-core] What wiki should j-core.org use?

D. Jeff Dionne Jeff at SE-Instruments.com
Sun Jun 19 23:28:03 EDT 2016

The reason to use Trac is because it integrates the wiki with your source repo.  A wiki divorced from the sources isn't that interesting to me, because it just becomes a collection of random information (most of which is stale, almost be definition).  I've never seen that work.

The issue we would have is that I think GitHub wants to be all that by themselves, and having seen the rise and fall of such services, they never last as long as something like uClinux, nommu.org or j-core.  I don't disagree that we should have all of this up on GitHub, but to assume it is the primary repo is folly (see kernel.org as a counter example).

So then, I really think that an integration between Trac and Wordpress (with all the expected rich content, including inline podcasts and example videos, etc) is the correct approach.   We are asking people to consider using the entire j-core ecosystem solution set for ASICs... it isn't and can't be a 'little' project if we want that (where 'that' represents multiple $100ks engineering investments in hard an opportunity costs) to happen...   Just my 2cents.


> On Jun 20, 2016, at 12:06, Rob Landley <rob at landley.net> wrote:
>> On 06/19/2016 01:08 AM, Rob Landley wrote:
>> I have a todo item to do "wiki.j-core.org" (and put the turtle board
>> info in it), and I have no idea which wiki to use.
> The suggestion on irc was I should look at moinmoin.
> I actually _did_ look at moinmoin, but when you google for "moinmoin
> install" you get information overload. The second hit is:
>  https://moinmo.in/HowTo
> That page has 44 links (not counting the site navigation0, and the first
> of them says "This is intended to supplement, not replace, the offical
> docs" with a link to something else I should maybe read first?
> I clicked on the Ubuntu install guide
> (https://moinmo.in/HowTo/UbuntuQuick which is in fact the _first_ google
> hit), which has a nested table of contents 8 chapters long. After paging
> down three times (I already have a web browser installed, thanks), right
> after the admonition about README_FIRST in the source tarball (and how
> we're not reading that now but it's another fork I maybe should be going
> down instead of this page, which incidentally does not explain how the
> _ubuntu_ install isn't telling me to apt-get something out of the ubuntu
> repo but instead grab a tarball and install it outside of the pacakge
> management system; is it _in_ the ubuntu repo?) I got to:
>  sudo python setup.py install --force --prefix=/usr/local \
>    --record=install.log
> And my question was "Why do I have to do --force in the default install,
> especially when I'm already running under sudo?", and "This is python 2,
> not that crazy python 3 nonsense, right?" (I think I got an answer to
> that from the wikipedia page on it?)
> Which was the point I stopped reading last time. I'm aware the failure
> mode of wikis is scatterbrained fractal incoherence, but I didn't think
> we'd get there _before_ installing the thing. (The Mad Hatter's
> admonition "Start at the beginning, and when you get to the end, stop"
> is something wikis seem fundamentally incapable of. These people are
> clearly steeped in wiki.)
> But I can give it another swing based on the recommendation.
> Rob
> P.S. Sysadminning makes me grumpy. I probably didn't need to tell you this.
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